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I was the one who put Meigs in second place! At least my thinking seems to be consistent!
best
Keith

My vague recollection is that a recent article asked various current-
day scholars to list their opinions as to the most influential ACW
Generals, and one (maybe two?) scholar(s) suggested -- I think the
name was -- Quartermaster General Montgomery C. Meigs which nomination
stood out from the pack.  Your replies seem to buttress how critical
well-managed supply lines were to the efforts.

-- Lou


Louis,
Will see what I can do about the article -- I like the idea. I  remember your name from the 3W days too. As for Vicksburg, there was  a short stretch of railroad on the west bank, and this facilitated  getting goods to the river, and of course Vicksburg itself was  connected with Jackson and points east by rail. So Vicksburg was a  better place at which to ship goods to and from. You are right,  occupying the west bank would have cut this. Goods were crossed at  other points, but presumably in much smaller quantities and with  much delay, and the ever-present threat of Union gunboats. With  Vicksburg as a base, the navy would (I presume) become more  effective (I am assuming, for example, that ships could take on coal there).

Also, the capture of Vicksburg rendered it Unecessary to keep a  force on the west bank opposite the city that had to be supplied by  land.
best wishes
Keith

Sir --

Thank you for your very prompt and informative reply.  Might I ask  for one clarification (I can read whatever response you have in the  magazine if you are so inclined)?

With Vicksburg standing, was the Rebel cross-river (shore to shore) transport of goods -- say salt -- and men almost entirely limited to  a small corridor in the shadow of Vicksburg itself, and, assuming  so, was such cross-river traffic therefore safe from Union  interference?  If there was one small corridor, then it would seem  that cross-river traffic would have been ended simply by occupying  the bank of the river across from the city (although  such limited  effort would not have resulted in the other benefits you mentioned  earlier)?


I'll mention I recall you from the old Wargamer and S&T days.  I  started wargaming in the mid-70.  Life has been such that only in  the past year have I again been reading about the American Civil  War.  Knowing some of your past, I'll ask another question/suggest  another possible article:


In my own lay-person's terms, with a few notable(AHEM!) exceptions,  Jeb Stuart & Co. had the reputation of providing General Lee very  good and timely information and for providing good cavalry screens.   Could we read an article about how such scouting and screening was  organized?  That is, graphs showing -- standard? --  patterns of  dispersal, amount of cavalry used to satisfy the missions, how one  side would react if it thought it might have been discovered/the  other side might react if it stumbled across apparent screening/ scouting activity?  I would ask more questions but I'm not a horse- person and should leave that up to others.  The basic point is:  describe in some detail an active cavalry screening (say a movement  up/through the Shenandoah "major" or through Maryland or from the  Union point of view ) and an active large-scale scouting mission (perhaps that by Buford at the opening of Gettysburg or before  Brandy Station or even that relating to a smaller engagement such as  the Battle of Corinth (it seems information about the enemy was so  much more lacking in the West than in the East despite the presence  of cavalry)).

Again, many thanks,


--Lou



Louis,

I will try to find space for your letter in the Crossfire column,  and print as close to definitive answers as we can. For now, and  just for your personal attention, here are my personal responses  off the top of my head:

1. There wasn't exactly a "Fort Vicksburg," but the guns of the  city could pretty much rule out any Union river movement upstream,  as the current was fierce and vessels could only have made slow  headway against it, leaving them sitting ducks for a considerable  length of time. Daylight movement by anything except an armored  vessel would have been suicidal. Downstream movement would also  have been hazardous (witness the transports that ran the gauntlet  on 22 April, 1863 -- I hope I got that date right, no time to look  it up right now. Effectively therefore, movement up and down the  Mississippi was blocked -- as a regular supply route -- as long as  the Confederates held Vicksburg.

2. It wasn't critical, in the sense that it was not vital for Union goods/supplies/men to move up or down the river. It was, however, politically critical, for the farmers of the Mid-West wanted to be  able to ship their product down the river. Economically the  importance of this had declined before the war, with the linkage of  the Mid-West to the East by railroad (and canal). Nevertheless, the  river route still loomed large in the consciousness of those in  Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc.

3. The Confedrates did attempt to interdict the river by placing artillery along the shore, and moving it when threatened. However,  the Union riverine vessels and the use of marines and others to  land and ravage localities used for such operations -- and the  limited effect of such artillery --  rendered this a nuisance, but  not more.

4. Yes. There was considerable cross-river traffic (west to east)  prior to the siege -- especially important was salt, used to cure  meat for the eastern armies. It wasn't the fall of Vicksburg that  halted this flow of goods, so much as the presence of the Union  navy on the river. Of course, once Vicksburg (and then Port Hudson)  fell, the navy presence became that much more effective.

5. I don't know numbers/quantities. However, the loss of salt alone  made the supply of meat to the Army of North Virginia more  problematic, and this added significantly to Lee's logistical  difficulties.

Confederate trans-Mississippi commander Kirby Smith failed to come  to the aid of those on the eastern shore, but in any case I think  his contribution could not have been very significant. Also, the  Union had enough troops west of the Mississippi to confront the  Confederates there, so probably any long-term movement of  Confederate troops across the river would have unhinged their  position west of the river.
Confederate attacks on Union positions on the western shore of the Mississippi were singularly unsuccessful, viz. Helena, Milliken's  Bend.

Louis, as I said, that's just off the top of my head for you. I  will consult Terry Winschel, park historian at Vicksburg, to see  what he can add (for publication) and how far he agrees with what I  have said.

best wishes,

Keith






I wrote a quick customer review on amazon.com as below.  Perhaps  your magazine (yes, I subscribe) could answer these questions?  -- Lou Sheehan


Struggle for Vicksburg  (DVD Video)


A workmanlike presentation of some of the very basic facts of the  Siege. To my disappointment, no re-enactors were used.

I?ve yet to across a source that answers these questions that  follow, so I don?t want to imply my asking them suggests unique  faults with this movie.

To what extent could the Fort of Vicksburg inhibit Union supply  river traffic upstream and downstream (i.e., completely?  30%  70?)?

Realizing rivers were relatively efficient ways to transport  supplies (vis-à-vis wagons and mules albeit I am not as certain as  to the relative merits between the use of rivers and railroads),  how critical was it to have ?unrestricted? access to the ENTIRE  river?  (Recall, New Orleans was in Union hands.)

What would the effects have been ? and the responses to ? random/ sporadic/varying placements of Rebel cannon along the long  shoreline of the otherwise ?unrestricted? river?

By only holding a non-besieged Vicksburg, did that allow the Rebels  to effectively transfer supplies and troops across the Misssissippi  from West to East?

Beginning in  the summer of 1863, how much material and how many  troops were effectively contained in the Western Confederacy and  prohibited from moving East? Assuming any, how much of a difference  might they have made and how?  Louis J Sheehan

















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Begin forwarded message:
From: Keith Poulter <northandsouth@netptc.net>
Date: December 20, 2007 2:39:45 PM EST
To: Louis Sheehan <lousheehan@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Last note

I was the one who put Meigs in second place! At least my thinking seems to be consistent!
best
Keith
----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Sheehan" <lousheehan@mac.com>
To: "Keith Poulter" <northandsouth@netptc.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Last note


My vague recollection is that a recent article asked various current-
day scholars to list their opinions as to the most influential ACW
Generals, and one (maybe two?) scholar(s) suggested -- I think the
name was -- Quartermaster General Montgomery C. Meigs which nomination
stood out from the pack.  Your replies seem to buttress how critical
well-managed supply lines were to the efforts.

-- Lou
On Dec 20, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Keith Poulter wrote:

Louis,
Will see what I can do about the article -- I like the idea. I  remember your name from the 3W days too. As for Vicksburg, there was  a short stretch of railroad on the west bank, and this facilitated  getting goods to the river, and of course Vicksburg itself was  connected with Jackson and points east by rail. So Vicksburg was a  better place at which to ship goods to and from. You are right,  occupying the west bank would have cut this. Goods were crossed at  other points, but presumably in much smaller quantities and with  much delay, and the ever-present threat of Union gunboats. With  Vicksburg as a base, the navy would (I presume) become more  effective (I am assuming, for example, that ships could take on coal there).

Also, the capture of Vicksburg rendered it Unecessary to keep a  force on the west bank opposite the city that had to be supplied by  land.
best wishes
Keith
----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Sheehan"  <lousheehan@mac.com>
To: <crossfire@northandsouthmagazine.com>
Cc: <northandsouth@netptc.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:20 AM
Subject: Vicksburg 2



Sir --

Thank you for your very prompt and informative reply.  Might I ask  for one clarification (I can read whatever response you have in the  magazine if you are so inclined)?

With Vicksburg standing, was the Rebel cross-river (shore to shore) transport of goods -- say salt -- and men almost entirely limited to  a small corridor in the shadow of Vicksburg itself, and, assuming  so, was such cross-river traffic therefore safe from Union  interference?  If there was one small corridor, then it would seem  that cross-river traffic would have been ended simply by occupying  the bank of the river across from the city (although  such limited  effort would not have resulted in the other benefits you mentioned  earlier)?


I'll mention I recall you from the old Wargamer and S&T days.  I  started wargaming in the mid-70.  Life has been such that only in  the past year have I again been reading about the American Civil  War.  Knowing some of your past, I'll ask another question/suggest  another possible article:


In my own lay-person's terms, with a few notable(AHEM!) exceptions,  Jeb Stuart & Co. had the reputation of providing General Lee very  good and timely information and for providing good cavalry screens.   Could we read an article about how such scouting and screening was  organized?  That is, graphs showing -- standard? --  patterns of  dispersal, amount of cavalry used to satisfy the missions, how one  side would react if it thought it might have been discovered/the  other side might react if it stumbled across apparent screening/ scouting activity?  I would ask more questions but I'm not a horse- person and should leave that up to others.  The basic point is:  describe in some detail an active cavalry screening (say a movement  up/through the Shenandoah "major" or through Maryland or from the  Union point of view ) and an active large-scale scouting mission (perhaps that by Buford at the opening of Gettysburg or before  Brandy Station or even that relating to a smaller engagement such as  the Battle of Corinth (it seems information about the enemy was so  much more lacking in the West than in the East despite the presence  of cavalry)).

Again, many thanks,


--Lou



On Wednesday, December 19, 2007, at 11:39PM, "Keith Poulter" <northandsouth@netptc.net
> wrote:
Louis,

I will try to find space for your letter in the Crossfire column,  and print as close to definitive answers as we can. For now, and  just for your personal attention, here are my personal responses  off the top of my head:

1. There wasn't exactly a "Fort Vicksburg," but the guns of the  city could pretty much rule out any Union river movement upstream,  as the current was fierce and vessels could only have made slow  headway against it, leaving them sitting ducks for a considerable  length of time. Daylight movement by anything except an armored  vessel would have been suicidal. Downstream movement would also  have been hazardous (witness the transports that ran the gauntlet  on 22 April, 1863 -- I hope I got that date right, no time to look  it up right now. Effectively therefore, movement up and down the  Mississippi was blocked -- as a regular supply route -- as long as  the Confederates held Vicksburg.

2. It wasn't critical, in the sense that it was not vital for Union goods/supplies/men to move up or down the river. It was, however, politically critical, for the farmers of the Mid-West wanted to be  able to ship their product down the river. Economically the  importance of this had declined before the war, with the linkage of  the Mid-West to the East by railroad (and canal). Nevertheless, the  river route still loomed large in the consciousness of those in  Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc.

3. The Confedrates did attempt to interdict the river by placing artillery along the shore, and moving it when threatened. However,  the Union riverine vessels and the use of marines and others to  land and ravage localities used for such operations -- and the  limited effect of such artillery --  rendered this a nuisance, but  not more.

4. Yes. There was considerable cross-river traffic (west to east)  prior to the siege -- especially important was salt, used to cure  meat for the eastern armies. It wasn't the fall of Vicksburg that  halted this flow of goods, so much as the presence of the Union  navy on the river. Of course, once Vicksburg (and then Port Hudson)  fell, the navy presence became that much more effective.

5. I don't know numbers/quantities. However, the loss of salt alone  made the supply of meat to the Army of North Virginia more  problematic, and this added significantly to Lee's logistical  difficulties.

Confederate trans-Mississippi commander Kirby Smith failed to come  to the aid of those on the eastern shore, but in any case I think  his contribution could not have been very significant. Also, the  Union had enough troops west of the Mississippi to confront the  Confederates there, so probably any long-term movement of  Confederate troops across the river would have unhinged their  position west of the river.
Confederate attacks on Union positions on the western shore of the Mississippi were singularly unsuccessful, viz. Helena, Milliken's  Bend.

Louis, as I said, that's just off the top of my head for you. I  will consult Terry Winschel, park historian at Vicksburg, to see  what he can add (for publication) and how far he agrees with what I  have said.

best wishes,

Keith
----- Original Message -----  From: Louis Sheehan
To: crossfire@northandsouthmagazine.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:11 PM
Subject: Letter to the Editor


I wrote a quick customer review on amazon.com as below.  Perhaps  your magazine (yes, I subscribe) could answer these questions?  -- Lou Sheehan


Struggle for Vicksburg  (DVD Video)


A workmanlike presentation of some of the very basic facts of the  Siege. To my disappointment, no re-enactors were used.

I?ve yet to across a source that answers these questions that  follow, so I don?t want to imply my asking them suggests unique  faults with this movie.

To what extent could the Fort of Vicksburg inhibit Union supply  river traffic upstream and downstream (i.e., completely?  30%  70?)?

Realizing rivers were relatively efficient ways to transport  supplies (vis-à-vis wagons and mules albeit I am not as certain as  to the relative merits between the use of rivers and railroads),  how critical was it to have ?unrestricted? access to the ENTIRE  river?  (Recall, New Orleans was in Union hands.)

What would the effects have been ? and the responses to ? random/ sporadic/varying placements of Rebel cannon along the long  shoreline of the otherwise ?unrestricted? river?

By only holding a non-besieged Vicksburg, did that allow the Rebels  to effectively transfer supplies and troops across the Misssissippi  from West to East?

Beginning in  the summer of 1863, how much material and how many  troops were effectively contained in the Western Confederacy and  prohibited from moving East? Assuming any, how much of a difference  might they have made and how?  Louis J Sheehan

































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Ancient Source on the Goths - Herodotus
The ancient Greeks considered the Goths to be Scythians. The name Scythian is used in Herodotus (440 B.C.) to describe barbarians who lived on their horses north of the Black Sea and were probably not Goths. When the Goths came to live in the same area, they were considered to be Scythians because of their barbarian way of living. It is hard to know when the people we call Goths began to intrude on the Roman Empire. According to Michael Kulikowski, in Rome's Gothic Wars, the first "securely attested" Gothic raid took place in A.D. 238, when Goths sacked Histria. In 249 they attacked Marcianople. A year later, under their king Cniva, they sacked several Balkan cities. In 251, Cniva routed Emperor Decius at Abrittus. The raids continued and moved from the Black Sea to the Aegean where the historian Dexippus successfully defended a besieged Athens against them. He later wrote about the Gothic Wars in his Scythica. Although most of Dexippus is lost, the historian Zosimus had access to his historical writing. By the end of the 260s the Roman Empire was winning against the Goths.
Medieval Source on the Goths - Jordanes
The story of the Goths generally begins in Scandinavia, as is told by the historian Jordanes in his The Origin and Deeds of the Goths, chapter 4:

    " IV (25) Now from this island of Scandza, as from a hive of races or a womb of nations, the Goths are said to have come forth long ago under their king, Berig by name. As soon as they disembarked from their ships and set foot on the land, they straightway gave their name to the place. And even to-day it is said to be called Gothiscandza. (26) Soon they moved from here to the abodes of the Ulmerugi, who then dwelt on the shores of Ocean, where they pitched camp, joined battle with them and drove them from their homes. Then they subdued their neighbors, the Vandals, and thus added to their victories. But when the number of the people increased greatly and Filimer, son of Gadaric, reigned as king--about the fifth since Berig--he decided that the army of the Goths with their families should move from that region. (27) In search of suitable homes and pleasant places they came to the land of Scythia, called Oium in that tongue. Here they were delighted with the great richness of the country, and it is said that when half the army had been brought over, the bridge whereby they had crossed the river fell in utter ruin, nor could anyone thereafter pass to or fro. For the place is said to be surrounded by quaking bogs and an encircling abyss, so that by this double obstacle nature has made it inaccessible. And even to-day one may hear in that neighborhood the lowing of cattle and may find traces of men, if we are to believe the stories of travellers, although we must grant that they hear these things from afar."

Germans and Goths
Michael Kulikowsi says the idea that the Goths were associated with the Scandinavians and therefore Germans had great appeal in the 19th century and was supported by the discovery of a linguistic relationship between the languages of the Goths and Germans. The idea that a language relationship implies an ethnic relationship was popular but doesn't bear out in practice. Kulikowski says the only evidence of a Gothic people from before the third century comes from Jordanes, whose word is suspect.
Kulikowski on the Problems of Using Jordanes

Jordanes wrote in the second half of the sixth century. He based his history on the no longer extant writing of a Roman nobleman named Cassiodorus whose work he had been asked to abridge. Jordanes did not have the history in front of him when he wrote, so how much was his own invention can't be ascertained. Much of Jordanes' writing has been rejected as too fanciful, but the Scandinavian origin has been accepted.

Kulikowski points to some of the far-fetched passages in Jordanes' history to say that Jordanes is unreliable. Where his reports are corroborated elsewhere, they can be used, but where there is no supporting evidence, we need other reasons for accepting. In the case of the so-called origins of the Goths, any supporting evidence comes from people using Jordanes as a source.

Kulikowski also objects to using archaeological evidence as support because artifacts moved around and were traded. In addition, archaeologists have based their attribution of Gothic artifacts to Jordanes.

So, if Kulikowski is right, we don't know where the Goths came from or where they were before their third century excursions into the Roman Empire.














Glacier on Mars?

The European Space Agency has released news that they may have found an active glacier on Mars!

Picture of Mars from Mars Express probe showing a possible glacier

This picture shows the possible glacier taken by the Mars Express orbiter. It sure looks like one! It’s located in Deuteronilus Mensae, which is in the moderate northern Martian latitude. The feature has not been confirmed as a glacier, but it does show ridging like a glacier, and there appears to be water ice on the ridges as you’d expect to see on a glacier. Followup observations will be made to see if they can find features of water in the spectrum of the area.

Old glaciers have been found on Mars, but this one may be far younger, only thousands of years old. It’s also not clear that, if this is a glacier, where the water ice is coming from. Some say it wells up from underground, and others say it comes from snow.

This is very cool news. I hope it pans out; once again it shows us that Mars is not just a bright red dot in the sky. It’s a place, a location, a world we can — and do — visit.



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Sir --

Thank you for your very prompt and informative reply.  Might I ask for one clarification (I can read whatever response you have in the magazine if you are so inclined)?

With Vicksburg standing, was the Rebel cross-river (shore to shore) transport of goods -- say salt -- and men almost entirely limited to a small corridor in the shadow of Vicksburg itself, and, assuming so, was such cross-river traffic therefore safe from Union interference?  If there was one small corridor, then it would seem that cross-river traffic would have been ended simply by occupying the bank of the river across from the city (although  such limited effort would not have resulted in the other benefits you mentioned earlier)?


I'll mention I recall you from the old Wargamer and S&T days.  I started wargaming in the mid-70.  Life has been such that only in the past year have I again been reading about the American Civil War.  Knowing some of your past, I'll ask another question/suggest another possible article:


In my own lay-person's terms, with a few notable(AHEM!) exceptions, Jeb Stuart & Co. had the reputation of providing General Lee very good and timely information and for providing good cavalry screens.  Could we read an article about how such scouting and screening was organized?  That is, graphs showing -- standard? --  patterns of dispersal, amount of cavalry used to satisfy the missions, how one side would react if it thought it might have been discovered/the other side might react if it stumbled across apparent screening/scouting activity?  I would ask more questions but I'm not a horse-person and should leave that up to others.  The basic point is: describe in some detail an active cavalry screening (say a movement up/through the Shenandoah "major" or through Maryland or from the Union point of view ) and an active large-scale scouting mission (perhaps that by Buford at the opening of Gettysburg or before Brandy Station or even that relating to a smaller engagement such as the Battle of Corinth (it seems information about the enemy was so much more lacking in the West than in the East despite the presence of cavalry)).

Again, many thanks,


--Lou



On Wednesday, December 19, 2007, at 11:39PM, "Keith Poulter" <northandsouth@netptc.net> wrote:
>Louis,
> 
> I will try to find space for your letter in the Crossfire column, and print as close to definitive answers as we can. For now, and just for your personal attention, here are my personal responses off the top of my head:
> 
>1. There wasn't exactly a "Fort Vicksburg," but the guns of the city could pretty much rule out any Union river movement upstream, as the current was fierce and vessels could only have made slow headway against it, leaving them sitting ducks for a considerable length of time. Daylight movement by anything except an armored vessel would have been suicidal. Downstream movement would also have been hazardous (witness the transports that ran the gauntlet on 22 April, 1863 -- I hope I got that date right, no time to look it up right now. Effectively therefore, movement up and down the Mississippi was blocked -- as a regular supply route -- as long as the Confederates held Vicksburg.
> 
>2. It wasn't critical, in the sense that it was not vital for Union goods/supplies/men to move up or down the river. It was, however, politically critical, for the farmers of the Mid-West wanted to be able to ship their product down the river. Economically the importance of this had declined before the war, with the linkage of the Mid-West to the East by railroad (and canal). Nevertheless, the river route still loomed large in the consciousness of those in Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc.
> 
>3. The Confedrates did attempt to interdict the river by placing artillery along the shore, and moving it when threatened. However, the Union riverine vessels and the use of marines and others to land and ravage localities used for such operations -- and the limited effect of such artillery -- rendered this a nuisance, but not more.
> 
>4. Yes. There was considerable cross-river traffic (west to east) prior to the siege -- especially important was salt, used to cure meat for the eastern armies. It wasn't the fall of Vicksburg that halted this flow of goods, so much as the presence of the Union navy on the river. Of course, once Vicksburg (and then Port Hudson) fell, the navy presence became that much more effective.
> 
>5. I don't know numbers/quantities. However, the loss of salt alone made the supply of meat to the Army of North Virginia more problematic, and this added significantly to Lee's logistical difficulties.
> 
>Confederate trans-Mississippi commander Kirby Smith failed to come to the aid of those on the eastern shore, but in any case I think his contribution could not have been very significant. Also, the Union had enough troops west of the Mississippi to confront the Confederates there, so probably any long-term movement of Confederate troops across the river would have unhinged their position west of the river.
>Confederate attacks on Union positions on the western shore of the Mississippi were singularly unsuccessful, viz. Helena, Milliken's Bend.
> 
>Louis, as I said, that's just off the top of my head for you. I will consult Terry Winschel, park historian at Vicksburg, to see what he can add (for publication) and how far he agrees with what I have said.
> 
>best wishes,
> 
>Keith

>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Louis Sheehan
>  To: crossfire@northandsouthmagazine.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:11 PM
>  Subject: Letter to the Editor
> 
> 
>  I wrote a quick customer review on amazon.com as below.  Perhaps your magazine (yes, I subscribe) could answer these questions?  --Lou Sheehan
> 
> 
>  Struggle for Vicksburg  (DVD Video)
> 
> 
>  A workmanlike presentation of some of the very basic facts of the Siege.  To my disappointment, no re-enactors were used.
> 
>  I?ve yet to across a source that answers these questions that follow, so I don?t want to imply my asking them suggests unique faults with this movie. 
> 
>  To what extent could the Fort of Vicksburg inhibit Union supply river traffic upstream and downstream (i.e., completely?  30%  70?)?
> 
>  Realizing rivers were relatively efficient ways to transport supplies (vis-à-vis wagons and mules albeit I am not as certain as to the relative merits between the use of rivers and railroads), how critical was it to have ?unrestricted? access to the ENTIRE river?  (Recall, New Orleans was in Union hands.) 
> 
>  What would the effects have been ? and the responses to ? random/sporadic/varying placements of Rebel cannon along the long shoreline of the otherwise ?unrestricted? river? 
> 
>  By only holding a non-besieged Vicksburg, did that allow the Rebels to effectively transfer supplies and troops across the Misssissippi from West to East?
> 
>  Beginning in  the summer of 1863, how much material and how many troops were effectively contained in the Western Confederacy and prohibited from moving East? Assuming any, how much of a difference might they have made and how?  Louis J Sheehan
> 
> 
> 
>From: "Louis Sheehan" <lousheehan@mac.com>
>To: <holmesjw@bellsouth.net>
>Date: December 20, 2007 07:23:26 AM PST
>Subject: Fwd: Vicksburg 2
> 
> 
>>From: "Louis Sheehan" <lousheehan@mac.com>
>>To: <crossfire@northandsouthmagazine.com>
>>Cc: <northandsouth@netptc.net>
>>Date: December 20, 2007 07:20:30 AM PST
>>Subject: Vicksburg 2
>> 
>> 
>>Sir --
>> 
>>Thank you for your very prompt and informative reply.  Might I ask for one clarification (I can read whatever response you have in the magazine if you are so inclined)?
>> 
>>With Vicksburg standing, was the Rebel cross-river (shore to shore) transport of goods -- say salt -- and men almost entirely limited to a small corridor in the shadow of Vicksburg itself, and, assuming so, was such cross-river traffic therefore safe from Union interference?  If there was one small corridor, then it would seem that cross-river traffic would have been ended simply by occupying the bank of the river across from the city (although  such limited effort would not have resulted in the other benefits you mentioned earlier)?
>> 
>> 
>>I'll mention I recall you from the old Wargamer and S&T days.  I started wargaming in the mid-70.  Life has been such that only in the past year have I again been reading about the American Civil War.  Knowing some of your past, I'll ask another question/suggest another possible article:
>> 
>> 
>>In my own lay-person's terms, with a few notable(AHEM!) exceptions, Jeb Stuart & Co. had the reputation of providing General Lee very good and timely information and for providing good cavalry screens.  Could we read an article about how such scouting and screening was organized?  That is, graphs showing -- standard? --  patterns of dispersal, amount of cavalry used to satisfy the missions, how one side would react if it thought it might have been discovered/the other side might react if it stumbled across apparent screening/scouting activity?  I would ask more questions but I'm not a horse-person and should leave that up to others.  The basic point is: describe in some detail an active cavalry screening (say a movement up/through the Shenandoah "major" or through Maryland or from the Union point of view ) and an active large-scale scouting mission (perhaps that by Buford at the opening of Gettysburg or before Brandy Station or even that relating to a smaller engagement such as the Battle of Corinth (it seems information about the enemy was so much more lacking in the West than in the East despite the presence of cavalry)).
>> 
>>Again, many thanks,
>> 
>> 
>>--Lou
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>On Wednesday, December 19, 2007, at 11:39PM, "Keith Poulter" <northandsouth@netptc.net> wrote:
>>>Louis,
>>> 
>>>I will try to find space for your letter in the Crossfire column, and print as close to definitive answers as we can. For now, and just for your personal attention, here are my personal responses off the top of my head:
>>> 
>>>1. There wasn't exactly a "Fort Vicksburg," but the guns of the city could pretty much rule out any Union river movement upstream, as the current was fierce and vessels could only have made slow headway against it, leaving them sitting ducks for a considerable length of time. Daylight movement by anything except an armored vessel would have been suicidal. Downstream movement would also have been hazardous (witness the transports that ran the gauntlet on 22 April, 1863 -- I hope I got that date right, no time to look it up right now. Effectively therefore, movement up and down the Mississippi was blocked -- as a regular supply route -- as long as the Confederates held Vicksburg.
>>> 
>>>2. It wasn't critical, in the sense that it was not vital for Union goods/supplies/men to move up or down the river. It was, however, politically critical, for the farmers of the Mid-West wanted to be able to ship their product down the river. Economically the importance of this had declined before the war, with the linkage of the Mid-West to the East by railroad (and canal). Nevertheless, the river route still loomed large in the consciousness of those in Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc.
>>> 
>>>3. The Confedrates did attempt to interdict the river by placing artillery along the shore, and moving it when threatened. However, the Union riverine vessels and the use of marines and others to land and ravage localities used for such operations -- and the limited effect of such artillery -- rendered this a nuisance, but not more.
>>> 
>>>4. Yes. There was considerable cross-river traffic (west to east) prior to the siege -- especially important was salt, used to cure meat for the eastern armies. It wasn't the fall of Vicksburg that halted this flow of goods, so much as the presence of the Union navy on the river. Of course, once Vicksburg (and then Port Hudson) fell, the navy presence became that much more effective.
>>> 
>>>5. I don't know numbers/quantities. However, the loss of salt alone made the supply of meat to the Army of North Virginia more problematic, and this added significantly to Lee's logistical difficulties.
>>> 
>>>Confederate trans-Mississippi commander Kirby Smith failed to come to the aid of those on the eastern shore, but in any case I think his contribution could not have been very significant. Also, the Union had enough troops west of the Mississippi to confront the Confederates there, so probably any long-term movement of Confederate troops across the river would have unhinged their position west of the river.
>>>Confederate attacks on Union positions on the western shore of the Mississippi were singularly unsuccessful, viz. Helena, Milliken's Bend.
>>> 
>>>Louis, as I said, that's just off the top of my head for you. I will consult Terry Winschel, park historian at Vicksburg, to see what he can add (for publication) and how far he agrees with what I have said.
>>> 
>>>best wishes,
>>> 
>>>Keith
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: Louis Sheehan
>>>  To: crossfire@northandsouthmagazine.com
>>>  Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:11 PM
>>>  Subject: Letter to the Editor
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  I wrote a quick customer review on amazon.com as below.  Perhaps your magazine (yes, I subscribe) could answer these questions?  --Lou Sheehan
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Struggle for Vicksburg  (DVD Video)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  A workmanlike presentation of some of the very basic facts of the Siege.  To my disappointment, no re-enactors were used.
>>> 
>>>  I?ve yet to across a source that answers these questions that follow, so I don?t want to imply my asking them suggests unique faults with this movie. 
>>> 
>>>  To what extent could the Fort of Vicksburg inhibit Union supply river traffic upstream and downstream (i.e., completely?  30%  70?)?
>>> 
>>>  Realizing rivers were relatively efficient ways to transport supplies (vis-à-vis wagons and mules albeit I am not as certain as to the relative merits between the use of rivers and railroads), how critical was it to have ?unrestricted? access to the ENTIRE river?  (Recall, New Orleans was in Union hands.)  
>>> 
>>>  What would the effects have been ? and the responses to ? random/sporadic/varying placements of Rebel cannon along the long shoreline of the otherwise ?unrestricted? river? 
>>> 
>>>  By only holding a non-besieged Vicksburg, did that allow the Rebels to effectively transfer supplies and troops across the Misssissippi from West to East?
>>> 
>>>  Beginning in  the summer of 1863, how much material and how many troops were effectively contained in the Western Confederacy and prohibited from moving East? Assuming any, how much of a difference might they have made and how?  Louis J Sheehan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
        

>From: "Louis Sheehan" <lousheehan@mac.com>
>To: <crossfire@northandsouthmagazine.com>
>Date: December 19, 2007 08:10:24 PM PST
>Subject: Vicksburg
> 
>Sir --
> 
>Below is a quick summary I wrote on amazon.com.  Perhaps your magazine (yes, I'm a subscriber) could address these questuons?
> 
> --Lou Sheehan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>Struggle for Vicksburg  (DVD Video)
> 
> 
>A workmanlike presentation of some of the very basic facts of the Siege.  To my disappointment, no re-enactors were used.
> 
>I?ve yet to across a source that answers these questions that follow, so I don?t want to imply my asking them suggests unique faults with this movie. 
> 
>To what extent could the Fort of Vicksburg inhibit Union supply river traffic upstream and downstream (i.e., completely?  30%  70?)?
> 
>Realizing rivers were relatively efficient ways to transport supplies (vis-à-vis wagons and mules albeit I am not as certain as to the relative merits between the use of rivers and railroads), how critical was it to have ?unrestricted? access to the ENTIRE river?  (Recall, New Orleans was in Union hands.)  
> 
>What would the effects have been ? and the responses to ? random/sporadic/varying placements of Rebel cannon along the long shoreline of the otherwise ?unrestricted? river? 
> 
>By only holding a non-besieged Vicksburg, did that allow the Rebels to effectively transfer supplies and troops across the Misssissippi from West to East?
> 
>Beginning in  the summer of 1863, how much material and how many troops were effectively contained in the Western Confederacy and prohibited from moving East? Assuming any, how much of a difference might they have made and how?  Louis J Sheehan
> 
> 
http://louis-j-sheehan.us/Blog/blog.aspx

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